Zaza
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Post by Zaza on Sept 2, 2012 22:04:32 GMT -5
This forum has been enjoyable to be on with all the members and great posters that are here. However, I have a major suggestion that should be noted.
I understand that everyone has their lives/problems because I do too. However, I do feel like you shouldn't jump into something that you aren't prepared to handle. If you are going to make a forum and be the main admin on it, don't depend on other people to move the forum along for you. They can help, but the main responsibility comes down to the owner of the forum.
I know what it is like to be an admin on a forum. It is stressful, but even when I was, I made sure I was on consistantly. This was back when I was getting up at 4 a.m to play soccer for college. I would get home late just to do the same thing over again the next day. I was a very busy person too. I always found the time to check in on everything..make a few posts here or there just to keep everyone moving along.
It's why when I joined this forum, I really wanted to just step back and let other people handle the business. I found myself being more involved than I originally wanted to be with this forum . It got me thinking as to why I had become more involved. Basically, I didn't like it. This is not my forum. It is why I demoted myself as admin awhile back. I've been advertising to places which I feel like really isn't something I should be doing.
I put the skin up, I made the banner, I have over 400 posts and post daily, and I did some other things to this forum that some did notice. I'm not saying other people didn't help because they sure did. Everyone played their part in helping the forum grow slowly, but surely.
The bottom line is this: All I am saying is that if you make a forum, make sure you have the time for it.
Like I said, I understand everyone has their busy lives, but plan it out first if you plan on making a commitment. Unexpected things do happen which is understandeable. I just don't want to be given all the responsibility of something that I was only going to apart as an active member, which I have done to the best of my ability.
Anyway, I hope this clears some things out from my perspective.
I truly enjoy everyone's company and look forward to seeing this forum grow.
I'm taking the back seat though and from now on will only participate as an active member.
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Post by G O K U on Sept 2, 2012 22:14:20 GMT -5
I understand everything that you've stated, however, I'm unsure if you really understand. So far, I've been absolutely active everyday and have been posting nonstop and have been helping everyone for like....since we started. I never depended on anyone, sure sometimes I ask for help like graphics or something else but most of the time, I can do things myself. Now, the only reason I haven't done much for THIS WEEK as of late only was because of things that took place that forced this to happen, things that I could not control.
I was prepared to handle all of the duties, and I still am. I still came back to let everyone know what's going on. You guys should be able to understand things from my point of view, all of this happened so unexpectedly. I thought that you understood when I told you. I know you mean well, but it really seems that all of this is directed towards me. Even though with all that is busy, I at least still come by and warn you guys. I'm doing my best, and that's all I can do. There is a reason why I hired staff, so that when I'm not around they could help. I'm not asking for them to do too much, only the little things. I AM responsible for the big things, trust me I know that. As for planning it out, I did plan it out. It's a different story when things happen that are unexpected at the most. Chi Chi, you remember yourself how active and how many times I would post before all of this..
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Zaza
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Post by Zaza on Sept 2, 2012 22:18:51 GMT -5
I did understand that you have been busy. However, a lot of things go undone when you aren't around. Someone's profile took a week or more to get approved just because you were never around. I understand you have your life, but the main part I am getting to is that I am not going to take responsibility of the forum.
You do post, however, there are other topics that have been waiting for you to post in for some time now and haven't been posted in.
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Post by G O K U on Sept 2, 2012 22:21:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I know but it was during the "some time now" that all of this has been happening. I never asked you to take responsibility, I never asked anyone too. I knew that it was my complete responsibility. Trust me, if all of this hadn't happened I would have been already posted up a storm by now. I mean look at me, you can ask everyone, including Gosan because he knows. I used to always stay up ALL night, to watch the site, take care of it and do all that needed to be done.
I'd go to sleep for one hour and then go to work and then come back home and be back to you guys again. That's gotta mean something for me to stay online for about most of the day and night and morning. However, I didn't mind doing it. I always loved doing it, but everything that has been happening as taken so much out of me. I said it would all clear up soon, and I mean that. I just need support from my staff, that's what a staff is all about. I shouldn't be alone throughout all of this, this is a team effort not a solo. Sure, I created the site....but this isn't just my home. It's ours!
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Zaza
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Post by Zaza on Sept 2, 2012 22:26:48 GMT -5
I'm just giving my advice to anyone who wants to make a forum in the future. It was not directed at anyone specifically even if you are the owner of this forum. I just don't want to be given the responsibility of a forum that I almost did not join. I did the best I could with the design/banner, and I've done my fair share of the work.
Well you won't have to worry about me complaining anymore because I am not dealing with anymore admin type duties. As far as posting is concerned, I'll continue to do that as an active member.
Anything other then that I am not dealing with. If you want to put another skin, go right ahead.
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Post by G O K U on Sept 2, 2012 22:38:22 GMT -5
Woah, woah, now I didn't mean it like that. I was just stating my case, as for graphics....I can't do that. I'm no way experienced in that ethic to do so....If you don't want to anymore, I understand because that's your choice but I'm just saying, I can't do skins or banners. I know I may sound dumb when I say this but, I really can't make one. My experiences is in other criteria, not that. Also, I never took you as complaining. However, I also never told you that you had to do anything. The only thing you were to do was be the Graphics Administrator. I don't like putting too much work on anyone. Also, as far as I knew Gosan knows he's my backup for when I'm not around. When I'm not around, he can go ahead and take care of what needs to be taken care of.
I'm in a good mood today actually, tired but in a good mood. I know you did your fair share of work, and I couldn't thank you enough for that. You did so well, as for myself I did so many things on here too You and I worked well together. You know how many hours a day, I dedicated to this forum? Ask Gosan, he knows darn well. lol
Anyway, that doesn't matter. What does matter, is you did a good share of work and I thank you for that. To me you sound as if you're pressured to do all this, because you never were. You never have to do anything you don't wanna do. I'd never force anything upon anyone, and you know that. I have put a lot of work into this too, we all did. Sure, I can't make a skin or do graphics. I may not be the smartest of the bunch either, but I know how to run a site. I know how to make boards, I know how to show my dedication. I also know how to take care of a forum and keep it clean. I know how to take care of big situations, I'm a firm guy. I know how to role play, I know how to do anything that doesn't have to do with graphics. You know I love you guys, and like I said before I apologize for all that happened as of late. When it clears up, everything will go back to normal.
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Post by princesschichi on Sept 2, 2012 22:43:33 GMT -5
Okay then. It's all good. If anyone has something to add now is the time to do it.
I hope the situation does work out for you. It seems like everything will be fine. Everyone has done their safe of the work so it's not a big deal. As for me, I'm stepping back from the duties of an admin. It is all I'm saying.
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Post by Videl on Sept 3, 2012 3:43:38 GMT -5
I have to admit, I think Chi Chi has been doing the majority of the work as of late and has been far more active than Goku, but then he has been working 12 hour shifts so I understand why he hasn't been here. The thing is that what Chi Chi has contributed is far more important than I think Goku might be accounting for. Yes, the forum is in his name and he came up with the plot but two of the first members here were Goku and Chi Chi, so she has done just as much work for the forum as Goku has if not more.
Speaking as a close friend of Chi Chi's that was introduced to the forum through her at an early stage, I must say I agree with her sentiments about the administrative/staff roles. I have been an admin and moderation staff on numerous forums and put a lot of hard work into it, but it is sometimes just nice to come somewhere and not have all that responsibility and feel like you're putting in a lot of hard work during something that is meant to be leisure time. When I came here I did not want to be put on the staff quite frankly because I feel the same way Chi Chi does.
However, since my role as staff here is just to do activity checks every month and get asked about a couple of decisions, I do not mind doing what I am doing. What I don't want is to be practically running the forum, or for it to go to the dogs. Right now the activity level seems fairly poor which I find quite upsetting. I am to blame for some since I went on holiday and when I've been back from that I've only made a few posts, but in fairness most of the people are just absent so I can barely post right now anyway.
I just thought I would comment here to get this stuff off my chest too. I really don't want this place to die, cause I want it to get popular and have more people join. It was looking promising up til this point because the majority of the main influential people here are too busy to come on that much. Popping on for a moment to say hi is one thing, but actually posting and being involved with the fundamental element of what this site is (i.e. role-playing) is much more important.
On a slightly more personal note that I've not actually been able to announce cause a) I didn't think whether I could do it and b) cause people haven't been here - I broke up with my girlfriend early last week which has been very upsetting. I have been trying to distract myself from thinking about it by doing a few different things so some days last week I was busy which I apologise for. Other than that though I have been doing my best to post but I kinda hope you understand if my replies are slower than usual. Posts require me to use my brain so if that's thinking about the break up then it won't produce quality posts.
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Post by G O K U on Sept 3, 2012 5:18:09 GMT -5
Actually, I never claimed who has been doing more work because that doesn't matter. What matters was I told Chi Chi she only needed to do one thing but because of my disappearance as of late she had to do more, it was not intended to be like that. As for my disappearance, I've stated long before what's been going on. Now, I'd really appreciate it if we could move on. I'm trying to get this mess out gone so I can be cleared and I can go back to my normal 15 hour a day of hanging with you guys.
P.S. Videl, you are not on a lot so you really do not see the work that I do when you are gone. I do more than I have been credited for, but that's the thing...I don't care about credit. Before all of this happened, I am online on this site longer than anyone, being on all day until all the way til 6 AM just for you guys. I've always helped, I advertise places 24/7 and I'm constantly discussing with Gosan new ways to better the site. Sure, you may not know a lot of the things I do but that's because I don't speak of it half the time, I just well....do it. But yeah, seriously....even when everyone has went to bed and Gohan is my witness, I am usually always up on here, no matter how tired I am for the sake of this site. As for Chi Chi, I give her ALL of the credit she is accounted for. I told her she does a great job and every time I am online with her, I am always constantly thanking her. I have put so much work and dedication into this site, you really have no idea. Sure, I've been busy as of late. I've already explained myself on that, but before then I've been doing so much more than I've been credited for. Once, rl stuff clears up I will be full time 15 hours with you guys once again.
NOTE: ALL STAFF CAN ACCEPT BIOS!
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Post by Frigid on Sept 3, 2012 5:56:40 GMT -5
I will vouch that Goku used to be sleeping like around my bed time (which is around early 6am for him) before he got busy for a while with the extra shifts, and that both me and him and others have been discussing/doing things via messenger most of the time. Like him, it's not like I want recognition or anything for what I'm doing, I'm just pointing out that I am so people are aware.
As for me, I've been busy with uni and RL while being in a couple of RP topics. Ironically I've been doing a lot more than I had when the site started, lol, so I'm not complaining about that. Now to clarify with what else I am doing behind the scenes is the grading of threads and updating of PLs (which is my designated job). In relation to that is testing out a potential battle system with a couple of staff members, as well as figuring out other ways to make the site more enjoyable.
This RPG will not die as long as people do not stop posting, and from what I am aware of, the absences are only temporary and no one is getting close at leaving for good. It seems there is a misunderstanding with the hierarchy of power, but that has been cleared now. It goes Goku, me (Krillin/Frigid), and then Videl/Gohan,. The main concern is application acceptance, and Goku has made clear that all staff has the power.
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Post by Gohan on Sept 3, 2012 6:05:19 GMT -5
Just to make things clear, there is no need for any problems here. ChiChi has decided to leave her position and it's her decision. She can do as she pleases as the same for all of us. Looking at both points of view, there really isn't any need for this. Like ChiChi mentioned earlier, we all do our parts around here. It's obvious ChiChi is one of our most active members (400 posts....godlike ahaha). She has made the graphics, the skin, the background, all these cool little details that honestly took her a while. I witnessed this all, her staying up at 1am with a headache trying to fix up a few things. She has done a lot. Again, we all contribute to the site in various ways.
On Goku's hand, he's actually been doing things some of us don't even know about. Whenever he isn't at work or sleeping, I see him come on. Be it for a short time or long time, he does everything he can. Sometimes he can't get to a post and sometimes he can. Because of my extremely terrible sleeping habits (Staying up 24 hours) I see he come one. He monitors and checks out a few things. Makes sure everything is okay, and he advertises as well. RL things have popped up, and before he used to be on a lot like he mentioned.
If ChiChi feels she has done more than she intended, let it be. Goku is doing all he can. Chichi is doing all she can. I do whatever i can and same goes for all. Things just happen in life and we just gotta deal with it. RL things pop up, and mess things up sometimes. It happens. At least now we all know things we didn't before...(Videl, sorry bout that<333 Chocolate ice cream?)
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Post by princesschichi on Sept 3, 2012 9:38:40 GMT -5
I'm glad everyone is on the same page. I appreciate the support. As far as cosmetics of the forum are concerned, I can still help with that.
The cbox has to be moved. I know where it should go.
This forum will live. I don't plan on leaving. I'm going to post as many topics as I can. Ill have more free time to do so.
Videl you are the best. <3 Like mom like daughter Xd.
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Post by Videl on Sept 3, 2012 17:33:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice additional messages but see, this is exactly why I didn't want the staff job. Even if here's not a problem there's some sort of awkward conversation or argument over who does most, who does what, who can't do this, that or the other.
I'd also like to point out that I do come here more than you think I do. It's not like I never show up. I went on holiday for fucks sake and then I came back. Then I broke up with my girlfriend so my feelings about what it is I wanna focus on in a day got distorted last week but I'm still here. Just cause I live in the UK doesn't mean I'm never on Goku. I stay up to weird hours on the morning talking to you people so I find your defensiveness over what I said unnecessary and baseless. It's also pretty hurtful that you don't seem to care that my emotions might not be what they were a few weeks ago due to the events of last week.
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